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49 months ago by
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Hello,

as always we have been hard at work on Miner Wars. I would like to dedicate this developers diary to realism in space games and how it helps or ruins the actual gameplay.
When we started to make this game we have have decided that a decent sense of realism has to be present. All the best games these days aim for partial realism. There are exceptions of course. Some of these exceptions are even more fun being totally unrealistic than having any realism at all.

While designing the game we agreed on a few focal points. First of all we wanted our weapons to be realistic and more or less up-to-date. We did not want to have any fancy lasers because they have been already done over and over. Also we dont think that shooting those peewee lasers is really cool.
We just dont like the sounds associated to it. And hey, do lasers have any sound at all? Of course we can get into the ever-present discussion whether there are any sounds in space at all. More on that later however.
So we decided that we want mainly projectile based weaponry and if we are to do any lasers in the future, then it would be the real stuff. A laser with the speed of light and a straight beam.
Would this be any fun to shoot? We like to think so. In regards to projectile based weaponry our weapon of choice is the vulcan cannon. As we have not heard the right sound of this weapon in game yet, we decided to make our own very much based on the real thing. The sound and the cannon itself represents power and is really very cool to use. A-10 tank killer gun anyone?
Our take on the game is semi-realistic. What does this mean? Well mainly it has to be fun to fly and shoot. Were not aiming for space simulation here.
We even took out the word "simulation" out of every marketing material we had. We want to make a fun and accessible game for anyone.
So how do you get to fly in our game? First of all you can use the braking thrusters that slow down your movement and if you stop-pressing the directional button, then the ship stops moving.
You can also turn this function off anytime and maneuver the ship with your thrusters in space hard-core.
What does that mean? It means that if you stop pressing the directional button, the ship will continue flying in the direction where you told it to go.
In order to get back to your course you will have to use your thrusters to maneuver the ship like you have seen in say Appollo 13.
So here we took the approach to give the players a choice. If they want to fly hard-core then they can. Anytime they get tired of it they can turn on the automatic thruster correction. Is this good for gameplay? What advantage will this give to the hard-core players? Well first of all flying without automatic thruster correction will be faster, so generally its better to use if travelling long distances. Its not too usable when flying inside an asteroid or an interior level though, as it will require a huge amount of skill to use and not hit walls constantly.
Another feature we have put into the game was the survival factor. In order to survive in space your ship has to have 2 basic resources. These 2 resources are oxygen and fuel. Again you might ask why bother people with oxygen and fuel? Wont it be repetitive to fuel your ship up and pump some oxygen?
Absolutely not. Its a key game feature that were actually proud of. There will be stations where you can refuel both resources but at the same time, you will have to watch them. It also adds a lot of new strategic elements to the gameplay. Imagine yourself in a situation when your fuel runs low or, your oxygen levels are getting dangerously low. It will pump some more adrenaline into the player and that is what we want. It will be easy to refuel, but not in a stressful situation. Players will have to prepare well before going into uncharted space or a space battle.

Another point was in deciding whether or not should we have sound in space. All the space flicks always had sound in space right? At least those that were focused on action. I am not referring to Odyssey 2001 here. I am referring to the likes of star wars and such.
Its not wise to ignore all the people out there that have a firm stand on no sound in space. Generally we agree, so we introduced a feature in our game called sound emulation. When the sound emulation is active you can hear all sounds coming from outside and inside your craft. When you turn it off you can only hear your breathing. And again we have given this feature a real purpose. When you turn off the electronics in your ship then it means that you dont hear anything and that you cannot control your ship. It will continue to fly the path that you have set before you turned the electonics off. It will also make you undetectable to radar and missiles. Its just another layer of strategy that we added to gameplay. If you want to run your ship stealthy and undetectable you will be able to do it.

There is many more features in Miner Wars that are like this. Did I also mention that the game will have all our known solar-system planetary bodies?
We always balance features and try to give the players the fun and kick out of every single one that we put into place.
Our closed beta is already running and anyone can experience the Miner Wars in its early development stages. For more information on how to apply to the closed beta please go to: http://www.minerwars.com/ForumTopic.aspx?id=230

We already have close to 100 closed beta testers in place and this week we are releasing a some new features into our build.
Some of the major features were implementing into the game this week are:
- Headlights - near/long range
- Ship customization screen - prototype phase. Player can switch ship or add
weapons to his current ship.
We also have an engine logo competition going. The best 5 logo contributors will get a free Miner Wars license and beta access. We have broadened the
competition by the possibility to design your own Miner Wars logo.

Please stay tuned! :)

Your Miner Wars Team

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49 months ago by
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The lasers themselves have no sound, because sound is produced by vibrations, however the power required to make the laser, the particles being zapped, etc. make for a low hum.

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49 months ago by
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Once again for the sound, I point everyone here.
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/mystery_monday_030922.html

There is sound. An explaination for hearing the sound would be that the ship has sensitive microphones that amplifys and emulates the sound for the occupant.

I've played the Beta and the switch between auto stop and free floating is good. Don't know about the fuel and oxygen just yet. It'll be ok as long as I don't have to refuel every hour. Every real day and a half would be good.

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49 months ago by
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I believe Flamester was reffering to this sentence.

QUOTE: Also we dont think that shooting those peewee lasers is really cool.
We just dont like the sounds associated to it. And hey, do lasers have any sound at all?

Rather than the fact that there was sound in Space.

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49 months ago by
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So you are adding the frictionlessness of vacuum on auto, not just on engine turnoff? That will be very convenient.

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49 months ago by
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err, lasers today don't make sound sept what flamester mentioned.

however, (irl) when they are weapon-ized in the future, they will sound like a small thunder clap because of the air being super heated (in fact, thats the same thing that makes thunder when lightning strikes). the difference is that you wouldn't hear anything from a laser in space. not because of sound needing a medium, but because there is no air to super heat to produce said sound. unlike an explosion the sound would not have ever even started.

i do agree with lasers not being in the game, but thats from the point of view that tech simply won't get far enough to weapon-ize it in that time period.

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49 months ago by
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A more realistic solution would probably be a particle cannon. However, a particle cannon today would be about as advanced as lasers were in... say, Nikola Tesla's era (incidentally, he also came up with early particle cannon ideas...)..
A particle cannon would also be the only way you could actually SEE the beam because if a laser with a visible beam of light could destroy things, all visible light would destroy things... well, maybe. I'm not really into lasers too much.

I sure hope that the sound of your breathing isn't the ONLY sound you hear when shut down. You should be able to hear things such as bullets or other objects hitting your ship because in those cases there IS matter for sound to travel through, even better if it is assumed the air is in the ship rather than provided through a mask part of a pressurized suit.

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48 months ago by
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Good point Enzo, collision sounds should be there as you say. Thanks for that comment.

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48 months ago by
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Wow, I just happened to find out about this game today and couldn't be more excited!

I think you might be interested in reading this article: http://gizmodo.com/5426453/the-physics-of-space-battles

The section about weapons is particularly relevant to this topic and, in my opinion, offers some very interesting ideas on how laser weapons could be incorporated into a game like this. In the article, Shoer envisions two types of laser weapons: small lasers for precision strikes and point defense (technology which either nearly or already exists) and much larger lasers that would be capable of nearly slicing a ship apart. While the latter weapon may seem overpowered in the context of Miner Wars, Shoer discusses how such a powerful weapon would require massive capacitors which would be a huge liability if they were charged in the midst of a battle. This creates a strategic choice that could be faced by players in deciding when to use their large laser weapons: fire while far away and risk your target out maneuvering the lasers tracking systems (though lasers travel at the speed of light, they must have contact with the target for a period time to burn through armor and whatnot) or fire at close range and risk the enemy having the chance to land a shot that causes your charged capacitors to explode. This would also give a big reward to players who successfully ambush targets carrying laser weapons.

Muggsbud said...

QUOTE: i do agree with lasers not being in the game, but thats from the point of view that tech simply won't get far enough to weapon-ize it in that time period.

On the contrary, the technology is already on the verge of becoming practical weapons, especially as a point defense and precision strike weapon:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LThD0FMvTFU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZPKJ9TEzDA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgfvhNsMGKA

~Chappie

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